I remember something like that, I'll have to check. My gut tells me that it is not the wash that necessarily weakens the poster, it is the shrink swell that weakens it. Especially if you are working paper off the linen then you are trying to massage the wheat paste off the poster etc...
I've finished The Godfather... I tell you that it is counterintuitive but shiny black is the worst when it comes to making repairs and a uniform finish. I'll snap some pictures today and post later.
I've finished The Godfather... I tell you that it is counterintuitive but shiny black is the worst when it comes to making repairs and a uniform finish. I'll snap some pictures today and post later.
In many thousands of linenbacked posters, I don't think I EVER saw a post-1968 one where I thought the black background ever turned out well.
WAY better off to wait for a nice unrestored example than the buy the bad one and try to "fix" it.
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I kindly disagree with that, Bruce. Your right that it's very difficult to restore black in gloss posters- I remember Dario saying that nothing can re-create jet black printing ink.
But I guess from my perspective as a restorer is to meet the challenge of buying a poster at a much reduced price and then fixing it so it looks good, not perfect but good.
As our sage on the website David once said, "it's about camouflage" and not perfection.
If it looks good from 6 feet away framed, I'm happy.
I've finished The Godfather... I tell you that it is counterintuitive but shiny black is the worst when it comes to making repairs and a uniform finish. I'll snap some pictures today and post later.
In many thousands of linenbacked posters, I don't think I EVER saw a post-1968 one where I thought the black background ever turned out well.
WAY better off to wait for a nice unrestored example than the buy the bad one and try to "fix" it.
I'm totally on board with your assessment. I don't think any of the black clay coated posters can ever truly look polished.
I kindly disagree with that, Bruce. Your right that it's very difficult to restore black in gloss posters- I remember Dario saying that nothing can re-create jet black printing ink.
But I guess from my perspective as a restorer is to meet the challenge of buying a poster at a much reduced price and then fixing it so it looks good, not perfect but good.
As our sage on the website David once said, "it's about camouflage" and not perfection.
If it looks good from 6 feet away framed, I'm happy.
My point Mark is that YOU as a restorer can choose to do this, but it would be foolish for any collector to do so, because the cost of the bad condition poster plus the cost of restoration will be far more than the cost of a nice unrestored poster 99% of the time.
HAS lifetime guarantees on every item - IS eMoviePoster.com HAS unrestored and unenhanced images - IS eMoviePoster.com HAS 100% honest condition descriptions - IS eMoviePoster.com HAS auctions where the winner is the higher of two real bidders - IS eMoviePoster.com HAS up to SIXTEEN weeks of "Pay and Hold" to save a fortune on shipping - IS eMoviePoster.com HAS real customer service before, during and after EVERY auction, and answers all questions - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS 25% or 26% "buyers premiums" of any kind (but especially the dreadful "$29 or $49 minimum" ones) - NOT eMoviePoster.com HAS "reserves or starts over $1 - NOT eMoviePoster.com HAS hidden bidder IDs - NOT eMoviePoster.com HAS "nosebleed" shipping charges - NOT eMoviePoster.com HAS inadequate packaging - NOT eMoviePoster.com HAS no customer service to speak of, before, during and after any auction, and answers almost no questions - NOT eMoviePoster.com
I do agree. When cost is considered. Much wiser to wait for better copy. Perfect example is my Seven Brides with the 19 paper stickers, six paper infills and tape stains. I bought for $23-a professional restorer I guess could have spent 2-3-4 hours at 55-75/hr + linenbacking costs...
A very good example is $125? + $120 at most for simple backing. I'm no math expert but can figure that one.
So the interesting thing is that I kept saying to myself that this might be mounted on something and sure enough after a 15 minute soak the top poster separated from what ever it was backed with - a thin cardstock...
The water was not only dirty but had a greasy film on top... Long way to go.
Massive undertaking! * What elements are going to be addressed? Pencil, crayon, tape, toning, fading? Any others? * What support are going to use? Linen? Mulberry? * Restoration approach? Reversible only? (Watercolors?)Semi-permanent mediums? Permanent? ---Looking forward to following the progress! Thanks for posting!
So the interesting thing is that I kept saying to myself that this might be mounted on something and sure enough after a 15 minute soak the top poster separated from what ever it was backed with - a thin cardstock...
***Your not submerging the poster are you? Am guessing you're just spraying front and back to soften up?
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Fabulous!
I've finished The Godfather... I tell you that it is counterintuitive but shiny black is the worst when it comes to making repairs and a uniform finish. I'll snap some pictures today and post later.
WAY better off to wait for a nice unrestored example than the buy the bad one and try to "fix" it.
HAS unrestored and unenhanced images - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS 100% honest condition descriptions - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS auctions where the winner is the higher of two real bidders - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS up to SIXTEEN weeks of "Pay and Hold" to save a fortune on shipping - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS real customer service before, during and after EVERY auction, and answers all questions - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS 25% or 26% "buyers premiums" of any kind (but especially the dreadful "$29 or $49 minimum" ones) - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS "reserves or starts over $1 - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS hidden bidder IDs - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS "nosebleed" shipping charges - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS inadequate packaging - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS no customer service to speak of, before, during and after any auction, and answers almost no questions - NOT eMoviePoster.com
But I guess from my perspective as a restorer is to meet the challenge of buying a poster at a much reduced price and then fixing it so it looks good, not perfect but good.
As our sage on the website David once said, "it's about camouflage" and not perfection.
If it looks good from 6 feet away framed, I'm happy.
HAS unrestored and unenhanced images - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS 100% honest condition descriptions - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS auctions where the winner is the higher of two real bidders - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS up to SIXTEEN weeks of "Pay and Hold" to save a fortune on shipping - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS real customer service before, during and after EVERY auction, and answers all questions - IS eMoviePoster.com
HAS 25% or 26% "buyers premiums" of any kind (but especially the dreadful "$29 or $49 minimum" ones) - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS "reserves or starts over $1 - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS hidden bidder IDs - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS "nosebleed" shipping charges - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS inadequate packaging - NOT eMoviePoster.com
HAS no customer service to speak of, before, during and after any auction, and answers almost no questions - NOT eMoviePoster.com
Don't actually remember saying this, however if I did then it's brilliant, could not have said it better err... myself?!
A very good example is $125? + $120 at most for simple backing. I'm no math expert but can figure that one.
Here is the before image again:
Here reads your brilliant nugget...
http://vintagemoviepostersforum.com/discussion/comment/18287#Comment_18287
Blue crayon?
Pencil...
I was able to get 90% of the pencil and crayon off...
Bottom right corner came off after I removed the tape so I gave it a wash/deacidification to see how it would react:
The water was not only dirty but had a greasy film on top... Long way to go.
* What elements are going to be addressed? Pencil, crayon, tape, toning, fading? Any others?
* What support are going to use? Linen? Mulberry?
* Restoration approach? Reversible only? (Watercolors?)Semi-permanent mediums? Permanent?
---Looking forward to following the progress! Thanks for posting!